Triple H/Vince booking power struggle?

[MikeRaw]

Sources: ProWrestling.net, Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Vince McMahon and his creative team currently feel that the quality of the Monday Night RAW is strong. Vince wants there to be differences in the content between his various TV shows, and one company source sees silver lining in this by pointing out that SmackDown is able to have such quality wrestling because RAW is Vince’s sports entertainment variety show. The problem, is that RAW is the company’s flagship show and is usually how the general public judges the company.

This week’s episode of RAW was mostly straight from Vince McMahon, to the point that one source says he essentially dictated the direction of the show to the creative team.

For months now, some colleagues have been crediting Triple H and Shawn Michaels for trying their best to weed out some of the campy stuff Vince and lead writer Brian Gewirtz produce. Even people who don’t like HHH backstage are saying that he should soon be taking the reigns from Vince as the creative head of the company. Triple H is seen as the most likely candidate for the job due to his family ties, but sources within the company also acknowledge that Triple H does have a good understanding of what the fans want and who their target audience really should be.

Triple H has been at the recent RAW shows, but one backstage observer notes that he isn’t as emotionally attached or involved in the show when he’s not wrestling. In other words, he might be saving his ideas for when he returns to television.

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Man, I'd love to see Triple H as the head booker. Sure, let the hating on him begin now, but I really think he knows more of what the audience wants nowadays than Vince does.

 

[Kaedon]

I wonder how long it will take for HHH bashers to turn around and say OMG HE'S SO RIGHT!!! THIS IS CRAP ON RAW!!! GIVE HHH MORE POW4RRRRRRRR!!!!

 

[Soulpower]

Oh, God no! Who would want HHH as a the head booker? He would probably book himself to be in the main event scene ALL THE DAMN TIME, and then have people like Orton job to him at WM when Randy can really use the win.

Wait.. that sounds familiar :shifty:

 

[MikeRaw]

Oh, God no! Who would want HHH as a the head booker? He would probably book himself to be in the main event scene ALL THE DAMN TIME, and then have people like Orton job to him at WM when Randy can really use the win.

But then again, he could also use all his title reigns to lose them to other people, and create the future stars, like the ones we have now. You know, by jobbing to a guy 3 times in a row, including a HIAC, and then turning face when he really wants to stay heel, and putting over guys like Cena, in addition to what he's already done for Batista and Orton. Or maybe he'll let himself get punted in the head, alongside his wife, to allow a stable to look dominant, by putting him out of actions for months.
Yeah, what an evil motherfucker.

 

[Soulpower]

Or maybe he'll let himself get punted in the head, alongside his wife, to allow a stable to look dominant, by putting him out of actions for months.

Stephanie was taken out prior to WM, where once again.. ORTON JOBBED TO HHH. And a stable to look dominant? Do you mean the same stable that continues to get their asses kicked by Cena/Batista/pretty much anyone else on a weekly basis?

 

[MikeRaw]

Do you mean the same stable that continues to get their asses kicked by Cena/Batista/pretty much anyone else on a weekly basis?

So you're suggesting that it'd make more sense for Orton (who has spent his entire career running from his opponents, including old men like Jake the Snake, Foley, and Dusty Rhodes) suddenly be brave enough and strong enough to take down two of the biggest stars in the company, who happen to be about 5 times bigger than he is, when all he has is two scrawny newcomers by his side? LOL.

 

[Soulpower]

Do I expect to see 3 guys beating down 2 guys? Yes, yes I do.

Hell, Cena went after Big Show, essentially making the match 3 on 1, and Batista still won.

At some point in those constant handicap matches, the team with the most guys has to you know... win.

 

[Kaedon]

Eh, SP youre wrong. That logic of "theres more guys" goes away when one of them is a glorified jobber and one is barely a midcarder.

 

[MikeRaw]

Do I expect to see 3 guys beating down 2 guys? Yes, yes I do.

Hell, Cena went after Big Show, essentially making the match 3 on 1, and Batista still won.

At some point in those constant handicap matches, the team with the most guys has to you know... win.

That's laughable logic. So if there's a war going on, and China (we all know it's coming >_>) sends every member of their population over 18 to war, and the US simply sends a normal sized military force, China should win, even if the US has more skills and a wider variety of forces in their military?? Or if there's a group of kids playing basketball for fun, like at a park, and one team has 5 guys, but they're all new to basketball, and the other team has a only 3guys, but they've all won tournaments in school leagues and stuff before, you think the team with 5 guys should win, just cause there's more of them? Apparently that's how your logic works.
And it's wrong. In character, Orton, Dibiase, and Rhodes are far less talented than Cena, Batista, and Triple H. They're also legitimately smaller. So to have them suddenly be able to beat 3 of the top guys in the company is stupid, no matter how many of them there are.

 

[Soulpower]

Ok... Then explain to me how Shane McMahon was able to fight off Rhodes, Dibiase and Orton at the same time.

Think about that. This "dominant stable" got owned by a non-wrestler, who is nowhere near as big as Rhodes, Dibiase or Orton.

 

[MikeRaw]

Ok... Then explain to me how Shane McMahon was able to fight off Rhodes, Dibiase and Orton at the same time.

Think about that. This "dominant stable" got owned by a non-wrestler, who is nowhere near as big as Rhodes, Dibiase or Orton.

Because in character, Shane is a guy who has never backed down from a fight, and is actually a tough guy, despite the fact that he's a non-wrestler. Now, in real life, without question, the 3 of them could beat the shit out of Shane, but in character, Orton, Rhodes, and Dibiase, are nothing more than oppurtunistic thugs, who jump guys, but as soon as they fight back, they retreat. It went perfectly according to how hteir characters are.
The bottom line is, in 10 years, when people look back on Orton and Legacy, they'll see that they took out the entire McMahon family, puntin Vince, Stephanie, Shane, and Triple H righ tout of action, and even wont he WWE title in the process.
And just to finish off on the thing when they fought Cena and Batista and got their asses kicked... In real life, if they fought, the outcome would be exactly the same, with Cena and Batista winning, so there's no point having legacy suddenly be able to beat them, when in real life AND in kayfabe, they wouldn't be able to.

 

[Next Big Thing]

This week’s episode of RAW was mostly straight from Vince McMahon, to the point that one source says he essentially dictated the direction of the show to the creative team.

My apologies for breaking up the discussion you guys were having, but I just wanted to comment on this.

I have to say that speaking for myself, this weeks Raw was probably the most enjoyable in a long time, maybe even since Wrestlemania. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but just by reading what some people had to say about this weeks Raw, it seems that a lot of people felt the same way. I often see people saying that Vince is getting old and is out of touch, but I'm not ready to say that a man that has completely changed pro wrestling and has taken out every territory and defeated a major competitor in WCW doesn't know what he's doing anymore. I believe that he is indeed targeting the right audience. He's not just targeting kids, he's trying to target everyone by making it a family show. When people say that he's targeting the wrong audience, it comes down to you're thinking just about what YOU want. He doesn't target his product for just one demographic, and that's where some people have a problem. Teenagers want the product to directly target them. But when you stop and think that nearly every wrestling fan becomes one while they're a kid, it seems like a pretty smart move to have a product that is appropriate for kids.

 

[MikeRaw]

My apologies for breaking up the discussion you guys were having, but I just wanted to comment on this.

I have to say that speaking for myself, this weeks Raw was probably the most enjoyable in a long time, maybe even since Wrestlemania. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but just by reading what some people had to say about this weeks Raw, it seems that a lot of people felt the same way. I often see people saying that Vince is getting old and is out of touch, but I'm not ready to say that a man that has completely changed pro wrestling and has taken out every territory and defeated a major competitor in WCW doesn't know what he's doing anymore. I believe that he is indeed targeting the right audience. He's not just targeting kids, he's trying to target everyone by making it a family show. When people say that he's targeting the wrong audience, it comes down to you're thinking just about what YOU want. He doesn't target his product for just one demographic, and that's where some people have a problem. Teenagers want the product to directly target them. But when you stop and think that nearly every wrestling fan becomes one while they're a kid, it seems like a pretty smart move to have a product that is appropriate for kids.

Same thing I've been sayin' for months. I don't try to hide the fact that I much prefer an edgier, more teenage/young adult based product, but unlike some of the morons I see on this board, and various others, I understand why they're targetting the young ones. You have to create new fans sonmehow, and you don't do that by targetting people who may grow tired of wrestling soon.
The Attitude Era brought high ratings, but eventually, they died off, because alot of the generation that watched it grew up from teenagers to old adults, and decided not to watch it anymore. So while it was good short-term (3 years) they've been stuck between 3's and 4's for ratings for years now. WWE is setting themselves up better for the long term here, by gaining new fans that are 5-15, insetad of 15-25, that way they'll have those fans for years to come.
I'd like an edgier product too, as do most people, but people need to at least understand and accept why WWE is doing it, even if it doesn't specifically fit their wants.

 

[Kaedon]

Ok... Then explain to me how Shane McMahon was able to fight off Rhodes, Dibiase and Orton at the same time.

Think about that. This "dominant stable" got owned by a non-wrestler, who is nowhere near as big as Rhodes, Dibiase or Orton.

Thats why its not a dominant stable. They are a stable of chickenshit heels who let big daddy (Orton) do all of the heavy lifting.

 

[MikeRaw]

Thats why its not a dominant stable. They are a stable of chickenshit heels who let big daddy (Orton) do all of the heavy lifting.

By dominant, I didn't mean they look physically dominant, or physically ebat down each guy. By dominant, I meant they are dominating th WWE, and at the top of Raw, which they are. Therefore, it doesn't matter if they're booked to look like chickenshits, because it doesn't end up hurting them, seeing as that's been their characters all along.