What IF Undertaker does not main event WM13 and NOT win the WWE Champion in 1997?

[Super Saiyan Goku]

What IF Undertaker does not main event WrestleMania 13 and NOT win the WWE Champion in 1997? Ok this one is a one bug me but after I posted that thread of the story of who was sopost main event at WrestleMania 13 got me think IF Undertaker was never sopost to main event WM13 and win the WWE Title, Then what have been to The Undertaker career!? The 1997 WWE Title Run was by far was his BEST TITLE So if he does not get it what have been to him!? Remember his only title run before was in 1991 that last a week. So with out that long WWE Champion title run in 1997 how different is Taker leagay today and if he still with WWE!? Does jump to WCW!? The streak never become the streak!? Though?​

 

[Danielson]

I honestly have no idea. I don't think he'd have jumped to doublya see doublya

 

[Lockard 23]

Well, Shawn was supposed to drop the title to Bret before he "lost his smile" and forfeited the belt. Then, after Bret won it at the Final Four PPV, there was talks of having the I Quit match between Bret and Austin (with the same exact finish) headlining the event and just having Undertaker and Sid in a normal big man match. I think this would have been awesome in it's own way, because the Hart Foundation angle and Bret Hart turning heel against America happened right after, and this way Bret could have held the world title throughout the whole thing, all the way into Survivor Series in November. Undertaker's streak goes on, as Sid left the company after WM13 and so there was no way they were gonna put him over Undertaker (or anyone) in any case. He certainly doesn't jump to WCW, that's absurd. Undertaker was a magical gimmick born in WWF, he was gonna stay loyal to them no matter what. I doubt WCW even approached him, as they knew they could never separate him from that gimmick and couldn't pull it off like WWF did (not to mention the copyright issues.)

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

I honestly have no idea. I don't think he'd of jumped to doublya see doublya

he would had only title run for a week which was 6 years ago at that time by 1997 come along. and he lose that title run in 1997 he may become bitter and who can blame him. since the crowd was behind him. It may want him to leavre and jump to WCW.

 

[Danielson]

he would had only title run for a week which was 6 years ago at that time by 1997 come along. and he lose that title run in 1997 he may become bitter and who can blame him. since the crowd was behind him. It may want him to leavre and jump to WCW.

I don't know man. It would have been interesting if it would have played out that way. Thank whoever you believe in it didn't.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

Well, Shawn was supposed to drop the title to Bret before he "lost his smile" and forfeited the belt. Then, after Bret won it at the Final Four PPV, there was talks of having the I Quit match between Bret and Austin (with the same exact finish) headlining the event and just having Undertaker and Sid in a normal big man match. I think this would have been awesome in it's own way, because the Hart Foundation angle and Bret Hart turning heel against America happened right after, and this way Bret could have held the world title throughout the whole thing, all the way into Survivor Series in November. Undertaker's streak goes on, as Sid left the company after WM13 and so there was no way they were gonna put him over Undertaker (or anyone) in any case. He certainly doesn't jump to WCW, that's absurd. Undertaker was a magical gimmick born in WWF, he was gonna stay loyal to them no matter what. I doubt WCW even approached him, as they knew they could never separate him from that gimmick and couldn't pull it off like WWF did (not to mention the copyright issues.)

the guy was only champion for a week in 1991 he then 6 years later still not get a title run he over with the crowd. it could make 1 bitter i know if it was i would bitter. and he has a right to be. the wrestling rule is if the crowd behind u and ur 1 of top guy but not the wwe champion why are uu here? i do think if he did not get title run he would have jump if turner offrer him anything that is? And that really no copyright back then like there is now as Vince really did not have anything place. Which is why Hogan was abold to keep gimmick when he when to WCW the same with U.Warrior.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

I don't know man. It would have been interesting if it would have played out that way. Thank whoever you believe in it didn't.

i glad he did win though as he desave it. but i just asking since he really was not sopost to be the main event well aless that what were told. i still don't belive it. since stone cold was feud with bret going into the rumble and then after way before HBK injury knee and drop the wwe title. and taker was being build as aguy who fill that his time was now as in his promo he had been giving. I really think the main event was sopost to be taker vs. hbk for the wwe title at wm13 as i have had report that they was sopost main event.

 

[Lockard 23]

the guy was only champion for a week in 1991 he then 6 years later still not get a title run he over with the crowd. it could make 1 bitter i know if it was i would bitter. and he has a right to be. the wrestling rule is if the crowd behind u and ur 1 of top guy but not the wwe champion why are uu here? i do think if he did not get title run he would have jump if turner offrer him anything that is? And that really no copyright back then like there is now as Vince really did not have anything place. Which is why Hogan was abold to keep gimmick when he when to WCW the same with U.Warrior.

Yeah, and WWF filed a lawsuit on WCW because of that. They thought the characters of Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were acting a bit too much like their WWF characters Razor Ramon and Diesel. That's why they had to come out at Great American Bash 1996 and say they were no longer associated with the WWF. It was still an issue. Warrior was different, because he won the rights to the Warrior name in a court battle in 1996.

Undertaker wasn't jumping to WCW. If it was over anything, it would have been because of the lucrative contract Eric Bischoff/Ted Turner offered him, not because he was bitter over a simple world title run. You ever consider that Undertaker maybe didn't care that much about a world title reign? There's been other guys who didn't get a title reign either, they didn't just up and leave the company because of it. Undertaker was highlighted as one of the top stars regardless.

Taker also knew his gimmick was the most unique and that jumping to another company would have been suicide for the character, basically. Even without the world title, he was still highlighted as one of the top superstars, and likely one of the top paid.

The idea that Taker would jump just because he didn't get a decent-at-best world title run is one of the most random speculations ever.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

Yeah, and WWF filed a lawsuit on WCW because of that. They thought the characters of Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were acting a bit too much like their WWF characters Razor Ramon and Diesel. That's why they had to come out at Great American Bash 1996 and say they were no longer associated with the WWF. It was still an issue. Warrior was different, because he won the rights to the Warrior name in a court battle in 1996.

Undertaker wasn't jumping to WCW. If it was over anything, it would have been because of the lucrative contract Eric Bischoff/Ted Turner offered him, not because he was bitter over a simple world title run. You ever consider that Undertaker maybe didn't care that much about a world title reign? There's been other guys who didn't get a title reign either, they didn't just up and leave the company because of it. Undertaker was highlighted as one of the top stars regardless.

Taker also knew his gimmick was the most unique and that jumping to another company would have been suicide for the character, basically. Even without the world title, he was still highlighted as one of the top superstars, and likely one of the top paid.

The idea that Taker would jump just because he didn't get a decent-at-best world title run is one of the most random speculations ever.

U don't think wrestler can't be get bitter if that don't wwe title run!? I think u should have a talk with HBK then? Who bitch if he did not get a title run in the 90's. And Taker was way over yet he did not get a long title run until 1997 i mean he was like Kane before Kane was if that prable?

 

[Lockard 23]

U don't think wrestler can't be get bitter if that don't wwe title run!? I think u should have a talk with HBK then? Who bitch if he did not get a title run in the 90's. And Taker was way over yet he did not get a long title run until 1997 i mean he was like Kane before Kane was if that prable?

Some may be bitter, but not enough to jump to the competition, especially when there's no guarantee they'll utilize him correctly (they didn't before.) Can you imagine WCW handling the Undertaker gimmick? I mean, really. Look at horribly they booked Hogan (and Warrior during that god awful feud.) Look at how horrible that Sting/Vampiro feud in 2000 was, which had Taker/Kane written all over it, since Russo was stealing WWF ideas at the time that he considered "his." That's a good example of how the Taker gimmick would have gone in WCW if they had used it at all.

HBK and Undertaker are two entirely different people on a professional level. Michaels was a bitch in general when it came to not wanting to put people over, and even years later after he supposedly changed his ways, he still proved he could be a bitch with the way he oversold almost all of Hogan's offense at Summerslam 2005 (he was upset that Hogan was going over in the match.) Undertaker was much more professional. In fact, both men have confirmed the story about how Michaels didn't want to put over Steve Austin at WM14 but Taker threatened to kick his ass if he didn't.

It's also worth mentioning that Taker also kicked down Vince's door after the Montreal screw job happened, demanding answers from Vince himself from how he just treated Bret in front of all the fans. And even with others threatening to jump WCW because of that incident, Taker wasn't one of them. You think not getting a five month world title run at that time was really gonna be the thing that made him jump?

Kane is a funny mention, because he's a prime example of someone who doesn't care about title reigns. He's been offered title reigns before, but would rather out over others and make them look good, which is why he's jobbed so much over the years.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

Some may be bitter, but not enough to jump to the competition, especially when there's no guarantee they'll utilize him correctly (they didn't before.) Can you imagine WCW handling the Undertaker gimmick? I mean, really. Look at horribly they booked Hogan (and Warrior during that god awful feud.) Look at how horrible that Sting/Vampiro feud in 2000 was, which had Taker/Kane written all over it, since Russo was stealing WWF ideas at the time that he considered "his." That's a good example of how the Taker gimmick would have gone in WCW if they had used it at all.

HBK and Undertaker are two entirely different people on a professional level. Michaels was a bitch in general when it came to not wanting to put people over, and even years later after he supposedly changed his ways, he still proved he could be a bitch with the way he oversold almost all of Hogan's offense at Summerslam 2005 (he was upset that Hogan was going over in the match.) Undertaker was much more professional. In fact, both men have confirmed the story about how Michaels didn't want to put over Steve Austin at WM14 but Taker threatened to kick his ass if he didn't.

It's also worth mentioning that Taker also kicked down Vince's door after the Montreal screw job happened, demanding answers from Vince himself from how he just treated Bret in front of all the fans. And even with others threatening to jump WCW because of that incident, Taker wasn't one of them. You think not getting a five month world title run at that time was really gonna be the thing that made him jump?

Kane is a funny mention, because he's a prime example of someone who doesn't care about title reigns. He's been offered title reigns before, but would rather out over others and make them look good, which is why he's jobbed so much over the years.

It funny that u metioned the screw job, U don't think Taker could have jump right then and there? Stone Cold was going over at WM14 wether HBK was injury or not. Though I never of the stoyr Taker going kick his ass if he did not? And let not forget HBK had a bad back so it hard to go against Taker under though sestanedis. And it as Tazz said before if ur NOT in this buisness to be the Top Dog and the Champion then u need to get out! B/c u come to wrestle to be the top guy!

 

[Meshuggah]

Jesus, long thread...

Okay, for one, the main event had nothing to do with his streak. Meaning, he could have been in a normal match, and still had a win on his streak. His career would have been the same. Taker was a loved character from the start, the title wouldn't have made much of a difference, as Taker isn't known for holding very many titles.

Secondly, he wouldn't have jumped to WCW, Taker is not that way, he is, and always has been VERY loyal to the WWE. He's said before, he doesn't care about the titles, he doesn't care about the money, he has always been a WWF/E guy. He wouldn't have jumped ship, that's not Taker, Taker is not Hogan, okay?

Lastly, i'm going to fully agree with K. Taker put a lot of people over, and he had no problem doing it. The title, and the main event of anything, Taker could care less for. Taker just wanted to be on the card, and to be respected for what he did, and he has built long loyal fan base, and a long respectful atmosphere in the WWE because he is so professional about things.

Edit: Tazz was wrong, and Taker is living proof of that. How many title runs has Taker has compared to others in the WWE? Point proven.

Taker is Taker, it's hard to find a man that loyal to the WWE, theres very few, John Cena, as much as you guys hate him, is one of those type of guys, who you just know is going to be a WWE guy for life, though, Cena gets handed lots of Titles, so I couldn't even begin to compare him to Taker, but you get my point.

 

[Lockard 23]

It funny that u metioned the screw job, U don't think Taker could have jump right then and there? Stone Cold was going over at WM14 wether HBK was injury or not. Though I never of the stoyr Taker going kick his ass if he did not? And let not forget HBK had a bad back so it hard to go against Taker under though sestanedis. And it as Tazz said before if ur NOT in this buisness to be the Top Dog and the Champion then u need to get out! B/c u come to wrestle to be the top guy!

I thought it was Triple H who said that, not Tazz. The logic is still the same, Undertaker is a "top dog" in the sense that he's always been an attraction. His gimmick could have easily been a short lived gimmick but he made it work and has been one of the longest employed wrestler the WWF/E has ever had (beaten only by Bruno, I believe.) Undertaker has still been in plenty of main events or main event-level feuds over the years. He's a top name, regardless. And by now, he has had his fair share of world titles.

The Undertaker/Michaels story has been confirmed by both a few times since then.

And Taker is certainly no Hogan, as Meshuggah pointed out, but what's funny about that is that Hogan once promised Vince he'd never compete against him and would be a WWF guy forever. But Undertaker actually made good on his promise.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

Jesus, long thread...

Okay, for one, the main event had nothing to do with his streak. Meaning, he could have been in a normal match, and still had a win on his streak. His career would have been the same. Taker was a loved character from the start, the title wouldn't have made much of a difference, as Taker isn't known for holding very many titles.

Secondly, he wouldn't have jumped to WCW, Taker is not that way, he is, and always has been VERY loyal to the WWE. He's said before, he doesn't care about the titles, he doesn't care about the money, he has always been a WWF/E guy. He wouldn't have jumped ship, that's not Taker, Taker is not Hogan, okay?

Lastly, i'm going to fully agree with K. Taker put a lot of people over, and he had no problem doing it. The title, and the main event of anything, Taker could care less for. Taker just wanted to be on the card, and to be respected for what he did, and he has built long loyal fan base, and a long respectful atmosphere in the WWE because he is so professional about things.

Edit: Tazz was wrong, and Taker is living proof of that. How many title runs has Taker has compared to others in the WWE? Point proven.

Taker is Taker, it's hard to find a man that loyal to the WWE, theres very few, John Cena, as much as you guys hate him, is one of those type of guys, who you just know is going to be a WWE guy for life, though, Cena gets handed lots of Titles, so I couldn't even begin to compare him to Taker, but you get my point.

it funny u said john cena the guy who is a 11 time wwe champion and a 2 time world champion and for the love god is main event almost every ppv it hard for cena not to be loyal to wwe after all the shit he gets! As for the streak back in though days then even though he was unbeat at WM there was no streak as they did NOT promo it back then. So yes the streak could have been effect if he did not main event and or face HBK at WM13 for the WWE Champion like roomer though it would have been. And Tazz was right the goal to be a wrestle is to be the best at what do! And the WWE Champion yes it gave gimmick to be over but ur unsal ur remeber 1 think and that winning the wwe champion.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

I thought it was Triple H who said that, not Tazz. The logic is still the same, Undertaker is a "top dog" in the sense that he's always been an attraction. His gimmick could have easily been a short lived gimmick but he made it work and has been one of the longest employed wrestler the WWF/E has ever had (beaten only by Bruno, I believe.) Undertaker has still been in plenty of main events or main event-level feuds over the years. He's a top name, regardless. And by now, he has had his fair share of world titles.

The Undertaker/Michaels story has been confirmed by both a few times since then.

And Taker is certainly no Hogan, as Meshuggah pointed out, but what's funny about that is that Hogan once promised Vince he'd never compete against him and would be a WWF guy forever. But Undertaker actually made good on his promise.

Tazz said it at Vencence Night of Champion of 2007 when Chirs Beniot bealed on the event which we did not know at the time but acold we found out later that he turn into a killer. I sad even having to being this up :upset: