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This is more in general but no, I highly disagree that he wanted to cross aisles and have meaningful discussion. He wanted to convert people to a white-supremacist, conservative libertarian doctrine, and to Trumpism, which is a form of Fascism.
 
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Can you name me a conservative political commentator that you would consider more middle of the pack? I don’t think you can. I didn’t say he was a moderate politically. I was saying that as a conservative influencer, this is a man that spent his entire career and life, literally holding open forums to cross the aisle, have political discussions with people that he disagreed with. The problem is you’ve gotten to the point now where you can’t tolerate anybody that disagrees with you.
Get a grip. Let's list some of the stuff he has said:
  • Spread several lies about election fraud which turned into people storming the white house
  • Made up lies about Barack Obama's response to a previous health emergency
  • Referred to Covid as the "China virus"
  • During covid was retweeting hydroxychloroquine had proved to be "100% effective in treating the virus"
  • Made comments about getting hundreds of emails a day calling for a civil war
Hell I could probs find more but to act like Charlie Kirk is not a total asshole is whitewashing it. I can handle people who disagree with me, probably better than you since that was your immediate comment. People like Charlie Kirk are one the biggest reason for the divide in the your country and then people like Farage bringing it over here.

So stop pretending he "just wanted a debate". Nah he was a grifter who stirred up hate and was a big part of stirring people up for January 6th. You live by the sword you die by the sword.
 

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they only stop weaponizing violence when the violence targets them though
Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to say, can you name me an equivalent of when a leftist major political figure was assassinated where the right didn’t condemn it and/or celebrated it?

Cause I’d think that’s just as abhorrent if that did happen. I can’t think of a single leftist politician that I disagree with where I’d have an equal reaction as this to it. I wouldn’t want AOC or Greta Thunberg or any of them murdered.

Shit, I could even name you a far right commentator who I think everybody here probably would agree is vile is Jake shields who is one of the most prominent Nazi antisemitic racist piles of trash that I’ve seen on Twitter and he spouts his nonsense every day and I don’t even think I could bring myself to celebrate his death, even though I don’t think he has a single redeeming quality.
 

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Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to say, can you name me an equivalent of when a leftist major political figure was assassinated where the right didn’t condemn it and/or celebrated it? Cause I’d think that’s just as abhorrent if that did happen. I can’t think of a single leftist politician that I disagree with where I’d have an equal reaction as this to it. I wouldn’t want AOC or Greta Thunberg or any of them murdered. Shit, I could even name you a far right commentator who I think everybody here probably would agree is vile is Jake shields who is one of the most prominent Nazi antisemitic racist piles of trash that I’ve seen on Twitter and he spouts his nonsense every day and I don’t even think I could bring myself to celebrate his death, even though I don’t think he has a single redeeming quality.
by "they" I meant politicians so that's the misunderstanding. They're bipartisan against violence when they get scared the crazy liberal that shot Charlie is going to result in a crazy conservative shooting another Democrat and vice versa. Though actually there were some absolutely abhorrent comments by Republicans after the Minnesota congressmen got killed earlier this year
 
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by "they" I meant politicians so that's the misunderstanding. They're bipartisan against violence when they get scared the crazy liberal that shot Charlie is going to result in a crazy conservative shooting another Democrat and vice versa. Though actually there were some absolutely abhorrent comments by Republicans after the Minnesota congressmen got killed earlier this year
And one of trump's sons was retweeting a halloween costume mocking another attack as well.
 

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Get a grip. Let's list some of the stuff he has said:
  • Spread several lies about election fraud which turned into people storming the white house
  • Made up lies about Barack Obama's response to a previous health emergency
  • Referred to Covid as the "China virus"
  • During covid was retweeting hydroxychloroquine had proved to be "100% effective in treating the virus"
  • Made comments about getting hundreds of emails a day calling for a civil war
Hell I could probs find more but to act like Charlie Kirk is not a total asshole is whitewashing it. I can handle people who disagree with me, probably better than you since that was your immediate comment. People like Charlie Kirk are one the biggest reason for the divide in the your country and then people like Farage bringing it over here.

So stop pretending he "just wanted a debate". Nah he was a grifter who stirred up hate and was a big part of stirring people up for January 6th. You live by the sword you die by the sword.
Between all of us, I’m not the person celebrating the death of a political commentator I disagreed with. I literally own a forum where I let people shit talk me regularly and don’t censor political opinions I find abhorrent. Nobody handles dissenting opinion better than I do.

I see you completely skipped over my question though. I don’t care what you personally thought about Charlie Kirk. I wouldn’t care if you simply only talked about how much you hated Charlie Kirk and his opinions. My only problem comes from the way the people are reacting specifically to his murder, but more importantly, I don’t particularly care about your thoughts on his particular views because I can guarantee you there isn’t a single conservative political commentator you wouldn’t have this exact reaction to. Even if you thought Charlie Kirk was legitimately the devil and I honestly believe you but my point is you think everybody on the right is the devil. When if you actually could objectively look at all the conservative commentators, Charlie Kirk’s in the middle.

I don’t ever wanna hear anyone else is responsible for the divide when one of the only people that actually attempted to have open dialogue between people that they disagreed with supposedly deserved their murder.
 

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I can't imagine any Democrat politician reacting like that guy did to what happened in Minnesota but we got a day or so to see since he waited like 12 hours before memeing. At least grim isn't elected
 

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You devolve into one side a lot quicker than you think you do Smark. Like just because you wouldn't celebrate a death doesn't mean no Republicans do. It's like you think every Republican is you and every liberal is Grim, two opinions in the political spectrum
 

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Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to say, can you name me an equivalent of when a leftist major political figure was assassinated where the right didn’t condemn it and/or celebrated it?

Cause I’d think that’s just as abhorrent if that did happen. I can’t think of a single leftist politician that I disagree with where I’d have an equal reaction as this to it. I wouldn’t want AOC or Greta Thunberg or any of them murdered.

Shit, I could even name you a far right commentator who I think everybody here probably would agree is vile is Jake shields who is one of the most prominent Nazi antisemitic racist piles of trash that I’ve seen on Twitter and he spouts his nonsense every day and I don’t even think I could bring myself to celebrate his death, even though I don’t think he has a single redeeming quality.
With all due respect, and I want you to take this not as an insult but just as a stated fact: You're not a member of any group that generally gets attacked. You're a mildly conservative white cisgender heterosexual male.

When you're a victim of hate and derision and the policies of these lemonheaded conservatives who think the Bible should go before the Constution and the wellbeing of others, it changes your perception and your priorities.

Charlie Kirk hated LGBTQ people, he advocated for and pushed for their marginalization, their banishment, and eventual extinction. He was anti-immigration disguised as "we just want to secure our borders", he thinks leftists are brainwashed idiots who have been victims of "cultural marxism", which is a thinly veiled dogwhistle for thinking "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

I'm not saying you're wrong for not being happy people died, but I also don't think anyone here really has the moral high ground to say that people shouldn't celebrate the death of someone they believe was a hate-monger who brought nothing but darkness and ideological destruction to the masses.

It's a matter of perspective.
 

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Between all of us, I’m not the person celebrating the death of a political commentator I disagreed with. I literally own a forum where I let people shit talk me regularly and don’t censor political opinions I find abhorrent. Nobody handles dissenting opinion better than I do.

I see you completely skipped over my question though. I don’t care what you personally thought about Charlie Kirk. I wouldn’t care if you simply only talked about how much you hated Charlie Kirk and his opinions. My only problem comes from the way the people are reacting specifically to his murder, but more importantly, I don’t particularly care about your thoughts on his particular views because I can guarantee you there isn’t a single conservative political commentator you wouldn’t have this exact reaction to. Even if you thought Charlie Kirk was legitimately the devil and I honestly believe you but my point is you think everybody on the right is the devil. When if you actually could objectively look at all the conservative commentators, Charlie Kirk’s in the middle.

I don’t ever wanna hear anyone else is responsible for the divide when one of the only people that actually attempted to have open dialogue between people that they disagreed with supposedly deserved their murder.
Aka you don't have a point and instead resorting to cheap digs here. If he is "in the middle" that says how far things have gone in the world cause he is far right. He is not right wing, he is way past that. He literally promoted the idea the election was stolen. That lead to violence unless you think Janaury 6th was ok? Pretending people like him are not in some way responsible for where America is, says more about you. Did he fire a gun or punch someone? No but words have effect, so no he is no "just some guy who wanted a debate". He was a grifter who peddled false election rigged claims and there is way more.

Also I know I can't post tweets but a comment from Kirk in 2022: "If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out...Bail him out and then go ask him some questions". That was in response to the Nancy violence
 
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The problem with stuff like this is honestly that if you are okay with people being shot for what they believe, is on the other side of the isle they will be people who could and have killed people on the left for what they think. It's just going to make things worse, and make more violence, which we already have enough of. I didn't like him, and I seen his videos pop up and I would watch, and he said hateful things yeah, so I completely understand not liking him, hating him even. But as a country we have to be better than this, and I'm scared of seeing things get worse.
 

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Aka you don't have a point and instead resorting to cheap digs here. If he is "in the middle" that says how far things have gone in the world cause he is far right. He is not right wing, he is way past that. He literally promoted the idea the election was stolen. That lead to violence unless you think Janaury 6th was ok? Pretending people like him are not in some way responsible for where America is, says more about you. Did he fire a gun or punch someone? No but words have effect, so no he is no "just some guy who wanted a debate". He was a grifter who peddled false election rigged claims and there is way more.

Also I know I can't post tweets but a comment from Kirk in 2022: "If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out...Bail him out and then go ask him some questions"
The fact that you keep dodging my main point shows that I’m right and that I do have a point. If I’m wrong, then answer my question and name a political conservative commentator that you think is more middle of the pack than Charlie Kirk and that you would condemn if they were murdered.
 

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If Charlie Kirk was the only hope of Republicans reaching out to the other side then that party is in worse shape than I even thought
 

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The fact that you keep dodging my main point shows that I’m right and that I do have a point. If I’m wrong, then answer my question and name a political conservative commentator that you think is more middle of the pack than Charlie Kirk and that you would condemn if they were murdered.
And you keep avoiding mine. Sorry am I meant have a list to hand of every political commentator? Sure go on, someone I hate and disagree with regularly: Piers Morgan. He's right wing and an asshole but I would condemn his death
 

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Let’s keep it 100. If David Hogg was assassinated tomorrow and I came on here and I celebrated it because he was against the second amendment and I didn’t like that and I thought that his death was some kind of positive imperative for the country y’all would be coming for my head.
 
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